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The Incident and The End

SPOILERS but whatever

It's worth rewatching The Incident (season 5 finale) after seeing season 6. It really is a good bookend with The End. (There are structures, language and incidents that fit really well from The Incident to The End.) Although I think actually you could argue quite convincingly that The Incident actually is a better end than The End.

That being said, it's clear in The Incident (which I hadn't seen before) that they are setting up an alternate timeline where the plane never crashes... so it's not all that surprising that people assumed sideways-2004 was exactly that. Which means basically the entire structure of sideways-2004 in season 6 was deliberately misleading. (I had assumed sideways-2004 was hinted, not explicitly described in season 5.)

So I can see people being mad when they go in the last few minutes "you know this thing that we constructed in season 5 and gave every indication of resulting in season 6? yeah, that was a long con".

Labels: lost, television

posted by Richard at 22:21 / permalink (post) | permalink (numeric)

fixing Lost

This is actually an easy fix.
(ROT 13)

Gur ceboyrz vf gurl unir gurve gjb sna tebhcf:
* gur crbcyr jub pner nobhg gur vfynaq zlfgrevrf, gur cybg nep crbcyr
* gur crbcyr jub pner nobhg gur punenpgref, gur punenpgre nep crbcyr

Gurve reebe jnf va gelvat gb fvzhygnarbhfyl pybfr gur cybg nep (gur vfynaq fgbel) naq gur punenpgre nep (gur 2004 fvqrjnlf yvzob).

Guvf vf na rnfl sna rqvg svk.
Frcnengr gur 2004 fvqrjnlf fprarf sebz gur vfynaq fprarf.

Erqb frnfba 6 nf sbyybjf:
* nyy vfynaq fprarf svefg, raqvat jvgu pybfrhc ba Wnpx'f pybfrq rlr
FUBPX! Wnpx qvrf zvq-frnfba!
* Nyy 2004 fprarf va gur frpbaq unys bs gur frnfba, NSGRE Wnpx vf qrnq.
Gura lbh'er nyy... jung gur urpx? Wnpx vf qrnq? Jung vf guvf ernyvgl? Bu... vg'f uvz qrnq.

Gb qb n shyy pyrnahc, n srj vzcbegnag gjrnxf:
* ERZBIR nal fprarf vafvqr gur pnir bs tbyqra yvtug. Fubjvat gur fghcvq Qenva bs Yvsr whfg purncrarq gur ragver guvat naq znqr vg nyy n ovg evqvphybhf. Zhpu orggre gb unir gurz tb qbja vagb ???? naq qb ????. Jr pna vzntvar zhpu pbbyre guvatf guna gurl fubjrq. Fbzrgvzrf vg'f orggre ABG gb fubj.
* ZBIR gur pybfvat vzntrf bs gur jerpxntr ba gur ornpu (juvpu ehvarq gur pyrna, fghaavat fubg bs qrnq Wnpx) gb gur ORTVAAVAT bs gung rcvfbqr (znlor zbir NYY gur pybfvat perqvgf gb gur ortvaavat). Guvf znxrf Wnpx'f qrngu rcvfbqr qvssrerag sebz nal bgure - naq lbh'er nyy "jerpxntr ba gur ornpu? jung gur urpx?" naq gura ur qvrf va svany fgnex vzntr ng gur raq, snqr gb oynpx (fubj gur Ybfg ybtb). Guvf bcravat vzntrel bs gur penfu nyfb whfg fyvtugyl penpxf bcra gur cbffvovyvgl (juvpu V xabj gur jevgref qba'g yvxr, ohg juvpu vf fgvyy n irel tbbq bar) gung gur vfynaq jnf chetngbel naq gurl nyy qvrq va gur cynar penfu

Fb svefg unys bs frnfba: avpr pybfher bs vfynaq nep, tbyqra yvtug jungrire, znlor vg jnf erny, znlor abg.

Frpbaq unys bs frnfba: jung gur urpx? Wnpx qrnq? 2004? Nygreangr gvzryvar?
* ERZBIR nyy vagrevbe fprarf bs gur puhepu. Fbzrgvzrf vg'f orggre ABG gb fubj. Ab zber ynzr vagreqrabzvangvbany nypbir. Ab zber Puevfgvna "Gur Nepuvgrpg" Furcureq rkcynvavat rirelguvat. Ab zber "guvf vf vagreqrabzvangvbany ohg vg ybbxf n ybg yvxr n Puevfgvna puhepu jvgu crjf naq natryf" erhavba. Ab zber "jul gurfr cnegvphyne crbcyr? jul thl sebz svefg frnfba jub qvrq jura gur cynar sryy?".
* Gb trg n avpr fgebat raqvat, lbh ergnva Ora bhgfvqr. Znlor QEBC gur #1, #2 qvnybthr gung vf gurer gb erzbir nzovthvgl. (Bar zvtug nyfb nfx, jul vfa'g Fnlvq bhgfvqr? Ur jnf cerggl xvyyl.) Univat whfg Ora bhgfvqr yrnirf gur cbffvovyvgl gung ur jnf arire erny.
* Lbh fubj Wnpx tbvat hc gur fgrcf, ohg abguvat zber, gura lbh NQQ na rkgrevbe ivrj bs gur puhepu, jvgu tbyqra yvtug fcvyyvat sebz vgf jvaqbjf naq qbbef.

Gur (bgure) raq.

Fb gura lbh pybfr gur punenpgre nep.


Fgbel orpbzrf:
* Wnpx bcraf rlr, fghss unccraf ba vfynaq (znlor chetngbel), Wnpx pybfrf rlr, qrnq
* Punenpgref erhavgr va jung znl or na nygreangr havirefr, be znl or n jnvgvat ebbz sbe urnira... fghss unccraf... tbyqra yvtug, gur raq

Guvf vf n avpr pyrna pyrne pybfher bs obgu nepf. Vg vf nyfb uryyn fhecevfvat orpnhfr Wnpx qvrf va gur ZVQQYR bs gur frnfba, abg ng gur raq. Vg yrnirf guvatf bcra-raqrq sbe ybgf bs sna vagrecergngvba naq qrongr.

Vg svkrf:
* ehaavat gur fgbevrf va cnenyyry jnf pbashfvat naq pbzcyrgryl zhqqyrq gur raqvat - crbcyr (vapyhqvat zr, gur AL Gvzrf erivrjre, naq bguref V'ir gnyxrq gb) zbfgyl ernq gur raqvat (cnegvphyneyl gur pybfvat fubgf bs jerpxntr) nf zrnavat gung gur vfynaq jnf chetngbel naq gurl nyy qvrq, ohg ol univat vg nygreangr jvgu fvqrjnlf-2004 vg znqr vg nyy frrz zrnavatyrff, yvxr, gurl qvq fghss ohg gurl nyy jrer qrnq naljnl, jul obgure, fvk lrnef jnfgrq.
* ehaavat gur fgbevrf va cnenyyry zrnaf gung vafgrnq bs gjb pyrna pybfherf lbh trg bar ovt zhqqyrq pybfher gung ehvaf OBGU gur vfynaq nep NAQ gur fvqrjnlf-2004 nep, gur zrffntr vf: jr jnfgrq lbhe gvzr ba gur vfynaq, Wnpx vf qrnq naljnl naq vg jnf nyy vapbzcerurafvoyr cbvagyrff tnzrf, naq jr jnfgrq lbhe gvzr va fvqrjnlf-2004 juvpu jnf nyy whfg n pbafgehpg gb trg gurz gb svther bhg gurl jrer nyernql sernxvat qrnq nyernql
* gur "jr jvyy sbepr lbhe haqrefgnaqvat" qvqnpgvp fgbelgryyvat bs "gur vfynaq jnf qrsvavgryl erny, naq Wnpx qvrq ba gur vfynaq, naq gura n ohapu zber crbcyr qrsvavgryl yvirq n ohapu zber gvzr, gura gurl nyy zrg va jung jnf qrsvavgryl cer-urnira/chetngbel". Fbzrgvzrf vg'f orggre abg gb unir qrsvavgr nafjref.

Gur bayl fprar/rssrpg lbh npghnyyl unir gb perngr vf tbyqra yvtug fgernzvat sebz gur puhepu va na rkgrevbe ivrj. Rirelguvat ryfr vf whfg erzbivat fprarf (fbzrgvzrf vg vf orggre abg gb fubj guvatf) naq erneenatvat fprarf.

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posted by Richard at 19:51 / permalink (post) | permalink (numeric)

Lost timeline

ROT13 for your spoiler-protection pleasure

Vs lbh unira'g orra sbyybjvat gur fubj, vg pna or uneq gb haqrefgnaq gur gvzryvar.
V bayl cnvq nggragvba gb frnfba 1 naq zbfg bs frnfba 6, nygubhtu V guvax V jngpurq fbzr bs frnfba 2. Guvf vf va yvfg bs rcvfbqrf/frnfbaf, abg shyy puebabybtvpny.

Naljnl nf orfg V pna haqrefgnaq:

2004 - gurl penfu ba gur vfynaq
Qrprzore 2004 - fbzr crbcyr (Bprnavp Fvk) rfpncr

(V jbhyq unir gubhtug guvf jnf bire n fcna bs frireny lrnef, ohg abg nppbeqvat gb gur Ybfgcrqvn gvzryvar.)

2007 - Bprnavp Fvk ergheaf gb gur vfynaq

[inevbhf gvzrf] - n ohapu bs whzcvat nebhaq guebhtu gvzr

1977 - qrgbangr ahpyrne obzo, jubfr BAYL RSSRPG vf gb fgbc gur gvzr whzcf naq fgvpx RIRELBAR jub jnf whzcvat (rirelbar sebz gur penfu be bgurejvfr neevirq fvapr 2004?) onpx va...

2007 - cerfhznoyl gurl neevir onpx ng fbzr cbvag nsgre gurl qvfnccrnerq ba gurve gvzr whzcf
fgvyy 2007 - Fha naq Wva qvr, Qrfzbaq qvrf (jr nffhzr), Wnpx xvyyf gur Zna va Oynpx (Fzbxr Zbafgre) naq gura qvrf. UBJRIRE rirelbar jr qba'g frr qvr, yvxr Xngr naq Pynver sylvat njnl, be Uheyrl naq Ora fgnlvat gb thneq gur vfynaq - gurl nccneragyl nyy pbagvahr gb yvir gurve yvirf bhg hagvy va gur shyyarff bs gvzr, gurl cnff njnl.

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ABG BA GVZRYVAR - yvzob / chetngbel / vagreqrabzvangvbany jnvgvat ebbz (nygubhtu n cerggl Puevfgvna ybbxvat bar) - va "vzntvanel" 2004 (gur lrne gur fubj fgnegrq, gur penfu lrne) rirelbar tbrf guebhtu na rynobengr funqbj cynl bs erqvfpbirevat bar nabgure, nygubhtu vg unf na bqq frafr bs Wnpx "neevivat yngr" gb gur cnegl rira gubhtu ur qvrq fbeg bs cneg-jnl guebhtu - fbzr crbcyr qvrq rneyvre nsgre gur penfu, bguref nebhaq gur gvzr bs Wnpx, naq bguref cerfhznoyl zhpu yngre. Vg znl or gung Wnpx fvzcyl "neevirf yngr" gb ernyvfvat ur'f qrnq orpnhfr ur'f nyy engvbany naq jungabg.

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V guvax whfg nf ernfbanoyr n gvzryvar vf:

2004 - cynar penfurf naq rirelbar qvrf
2004 (vfynaq) - rirelbar jbexf guebhtu vffhrf va chetngbel - jura gurl fhpprrq, gurl "qvr"
(inevbhf qngrf ba naq bss gur vfynaq) - zber sernxl-qrnxl chetngbel fghss
2007 (vfynaq) - Wnpx svanyyl trgf uvf chetngbel eriryngvba fhpprff naq "qvrf"

2004 (vzntvanel) - cbvagyrff cbfg-chetngbel erhavba ebbz

Abj vg jbhyq or vagrerfgvat vs gur jnvgvat ebbz va gur puhepu bayl vapyhqrq crbcyr sebz gur cynar. (Guvf jbhyq zrna rirelguvat ba gur vfynaq jnf vzntvanel.) Ora orvat bhgfvqr vf n tbbq fgrc.

Va gur puhepu
* Puevfgvna Furcureq (avpr gbhpu - V nyfb qvqa'g trg guvf hagvy Xngr abgvprq vg)
* Wnpx
* Xngr
* Fnjlre
* Fnlvq
* Fnlvq'f vfynaq tveysevraq
* jungfuvfanzr vfynaq tveysevraq'f oebgure
* Uheyrl
* Uheyrl'f vfynaq tveysevraq
* gur uboovg onaq thl
* Pynver
* Pynver'f onol Nneba??
* Ybpxr
* Ebfr
* Ebfr'f uhfonaq
* Fha
* Wva


* Qrfzbaq [ceboyrz - Qrfzbaq vf bayl sebz gur vfynaq]
* Qrfzbaq'f jvsr Craal [ceboyrz - bayl sebz Qrfzbaq'f onpxfgbel - V qba'g xabj vs fur rire rira trgf gb gur vfynaq]
* Whyvrggr [nyfb vfynaq bayl V guvax] (Fnjlre'f tveysevraq)


Fb hz nyfb
- V thrff Ybpxr trgf ab ybir vagrerfg fvapr jungfureanzr hz Uryra? jnf bayl sebz gur vzntvanel yvzob 2004
- jul vf ubg tvey'f oebgure gurer nybar? jul vf ur gurer ng nyy? ubj jnf ur nybat sbe nal bs gur wbhearl, ur qvrq jura n cynar sryy ba uvz va gur svefg frnfba (juvpu jnf, va snvearff, bar bs gur fgebatrfg vaqvpngbef sbe gur chetngbel gurbel)

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Gur zber V guvax nobhg vg, gur ragver 2004 "fubeg pba" yvzob "fvqrjnlf" havirefr vf gbgnyyl cbvagyrff. Vg npghnyyl fhofgnagvnyyl jrnxraf gur fgbel, juvyr jnfgvat rirelbar'f gvzr.

Lbh trg n orggre fgbel jvgu rvgure:
1. vg jnf nyy erny, fgneg jvgu Wnpx'f bcra rlr, raq jvgu Wnpx'f pybfrq rlr
2. gurl nyy qvrq naq gur vfynaq jnf chetngbel, fgneg jvgu Wnpx'f bcra rlr, raq jvgu Wnpx'f pybfrq rlr

Rvgure bs gubfr vf n fgbel nep - gur svefg bar znxrf abg zhpu frafr - vg'f onfvpnyyl "n ohapu bs jrveq fghss unccrarq ba guvf sernxl vfynaq". Gur frpbaq vf n zhpu fgebatre fgbel. Lbh qvr, lbh rkcrevrapr jrveq chetngbel fghss, naq ubcrshyyl jbex bhg lbhe yvsr vffhrf, naq gura... gur raq.

Vg'f hasbeghangr orpnhfr V ernyyl yvxrq gur fvqrjnlf havirefr nf n jnl gb yrg gur npgbef naq punenpgref unir bar svany punapr gb fubj gurve fghss naq nf n avpr trfgher gb gur snaf gb oevat onpx fbzr cerivbhf pnfg zrzoref (vg'f abg pyrne ubj pnershyyl gur pnfg zrzoref jrer pubfra be vg jnf "erzrzore jura lbh jrer ba bhe fubj, qb lbh jnag gb pbzr onpx sbe n juvyr?"). V yvxrq gung zhpu orggre guna OFT juvpu jnf fhccbfrqyl na raqvat "nyy nobhg gur punenpgref" ohg juvpu tnir gurz oevrs onpxfgbel gung jrnxrarq gurve punenpgref naq qvqa'g tvir gur npgbef n tbbq svanyr.

Npghnyyl rira vs gurl'q whfg raqrq gur fvqrjnlf havirefr jvgu rnpu fvqr trggvat n oevrs tyvzcfr bs gur bgure, "jung zvtug unir orra", gung fgvyy jbhyq unir orra orggre guna guvf "un un, fvqrjnlf-2004 jnf nyy n qernz" raqvat. Fher lrnu, gur zrffntr vf vg'f nyy nobhg gur wbhearl, naq nyy gung znggref va gur raq vf ybir. Ohg gur jnl gur raqvat jnf pbafgehpgrq, vg jnf whfg jrnx. Yvxr gur OFT raqvat, vg onfvpnyyl whfg fnlf "jryy gung jnf nyy zrnavatyrff, gurl'er nyy qrnq, Tbq qvq vg".

Labels: lost, television

posted by Richard at 20:05 / permalink (post) | permalink (numeric)

Lost finale predictions

ROT13-ed for theoretical spoilers.

Gur fubj unf orra gelvat gb ybbc guvatf onpx gb gur ortvaavat, n ybtvpny jnl gb tvir n frafr bs pybfher.

* V cerqvpg Ybpxr naq Qrfzbaq jvyy raq hc onpx ng jungrire erznvaf bs gur Ungpu, naq Qrfzbaq jvyy hfr gur rdhvczrag sebz Jvqzber gb qrgbangr fbzr xvaq bs vfynaq-jvqr znffvir ryrpgebzntargvp rirag. Ybpxr jvyy npghnyyl uryc uvz (be ng yrnfg abg fgbc uvz) fvapr ur oryvrirf guvf jvyy qrfgebl gur vfynaq. (Gur rirag vf cerfhznoyl nyfb fhccbfrq gb qrfgebl Ybpxr, vg'f abg pyrne gb zr ubj ur jvyy gel gb nibvq guvf.)
* Gur rirag jvyy pnhfr gur pbafpvbhfarffrf bs gur crbcyr va gur fvqrjnlf ernyvgl gb pebff-bire sbe n gvzr jvgu gubfr ba gur vfynaq. Vg'f cbffvoyr gung Wnpx (jub nf n tbq jvyy abg pebff bire?) jvyy, qhevat guvf gvzr, xvyy gur pebffrq-bire erny Ybpxr, jub jvyy or xvyynoyr nf ur'f ab ybatre gur fzbxr zbafgre. Cbffvoyl gur fzbxr zbafgre raqf hc "genccrq" (be ng yrnfg ybfg, vs lbh jvyy) va gur fvqrjnlf ernyvgl.
* Gurer ner n srj cbffvovyvgvrf sbe gur fvatyr sebmra raqvat fubg. V guvax vg vf irel yvxryl gb or n pybfrhc bs Wnpx'f rlr, gb zveebe gur irel svefg fubg va gur frevrf.
- zl cersrerapr: va Wnpx'f rlr lbh frr gur tbyqra yvtug syvpxre naq gura qvr (cerfhznoyl zrnavat nyy bs uhznavgl jvyy qvr)
- nabgure bcgvba: pybfvat fubg vf tbyqra yvtug ersyrpgrq va Wnpx'f rlr
- nabgure bcgvba: obgu rlrf, bar fubjvat gur tbyqra yvtug, gur bgure fubjvat vg rkgvathvfurq
- nabgure bcgvba: Wnpx'f rlr pybfvat nf ur qvrf/vfynaq vf qrfgeblrq
- nabgure bcgvba: Wnpx'f rlr pybfvat nf ur tbrf gb fyrrc ba gur svefg qnl bs uvf hcpbzvat rgreavgl bs thneqvat gur vfynaq

Gur pebffbire orgjrra gur vfynaq naq fvqrjnlf havirefr vf n ovt ryrzrag bs gur svanyr (gur jevgref unir nyernql fnvq guvf) ohg V'z abg fher jung erfhygf vg jvyy unir, bgure guna rirelbar frrvat gur yvirf gurl pbhyq unir unq naq (cebonoyl) erny-Ybpxr qlvat.

V qba'g guvax, bgure guna frrvat fbzr punenpgre fgbelyvarf pbzr gb jenc-hc cbvagf, jr'er tbvat gb frr zhpu va gur jnl bs arj eriryngvbaf bs zlfgrevrf fbyirq - rffragvnyyl gur rcvfbqr jvgu PW nf gur Rnegu Zbgure jnf gur ovt "nafjre" rcvfbqr.

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posted by Richard at 13:24 / permalink (post) | permalink (numeric)

Lost POPUP Lost is a television show

Did anyone else see Lost with popup video on A channel? WTF?

Hi, I'm Mr. David Faraday

POPUP Faraday is also the last name of a famous scientist

Was it Lost for Dummies or something?

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posted by Richard at 22:37 / permalink (post) | permalink (numeric)